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[sorrowmonkey]

From http://folk.uio.no/thomas/po/abortion-machanreply.html

Tibor Machan in his Another Look at Abortion in Full Context Vol. 11, No. 6 (July/August 1999) writes that "The main issue involved in the abortion debate is the time at which a human being come into existence." Not so. The main issue is the sovereignty of self, the most intimate and fundamental of all individual rights: the right to control one's own body. Noone has the right to access, use or dispose one's body against one's will. Therefore it makes no difference what a fetus is - body part, potential human, individual person, god or goddess - none of these have any right to invade a human's body against its owner's will, because there is no such right. The nature of the fetus is irrelevant to the woman's right to abortion. She has the right to evict it at any time during pregnancy, for the same reason and in the same way that she has the right to end an intercourse at any point of its execution.

Wow! I've never seen anybody use this argument before. Thanks peregrine58, for the awesome site.

Comments

[kuzu-no-ha.livejournal.com]

Fabulous find my love

[baronessmartha.livejournal.com]

I have never heard it put quite that way.
wow.
yes.
that is what I meant.

YES

[darthluna.livejournal.com]

Thats the damn point, it's my freakin body, get your stinkin paws the hell out of it!

Re: YES

[nrawling.livejournal.com]

I think the part that I hadn't really explored conceptually before was that there is not really a different between an external threat (rapists, the government, etc), and an internal threat (fetus, giger alien, etc).

My intuition said "we probably don't need the government involved with this," but I didn't have a concrete logical explanation of why.

Well said!

[master-mr.livejournal.com]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This is the most fundamental of personal rights. THIS one should be inalienable!

I have always felt that until the developing 'proto-human' is viable in the real world, it is nothing more than a parasite. There is no synergistic relationship here.

I thought one of the most amazing statements on this came from the pre-natal doctor for my two girls.

"If [the woman] came to the doctor's office with all the physical symptoms related to pregnancy - but it was not known they were pregnant - then they would be rushed into the hospital because the system would be so out of balance as to be thought very sick! Once it is determined that they are pregnant, then all these otherwise abnormal conditions would be considered perfectly reasonable."

There is something wrong with this picture. In many respects, it is NO different from gestating an "ALIEN". And delivery is not a lot different in some ways... Makes you go - hmmmmmmm....

Re: Well said!

[nrawling.livejournal.com]

Well, most biological functions execute well. Unfortunately, pretty much none of them operate in a way that is convenient. I think the complexity and back-ass-ward-ness of most biological processes should actually be considered reproof of "intelligent design" or "creationism."

No sane superbeing would design processes like this.

[jeep-squire.livejournal.com]

Exactly!

Out Damn Spot, Out I say....

[temair.livejournal.com]

Wow. Must read more when I get home.

I sooo agree so far!

Keep you politics/church out of my crotch!